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After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Turner had not finished with the family yet. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. Why don't you just take him?'. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Then you just get used to it.. Very, very serious. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. The two eventually lived together again. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. Change is slow. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. The film doesn't mention what consequences Jusitce Gail Welsh faced for allowing Shirley Turner to walk free. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? Why? David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. then one day I realized what it was. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. It was a tiring day for the toddler and he fell asleep in the back seat of the Bagbys car on the way to Turners apartment. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. And we, would have agreed to anything. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. Neither speaks for the other. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. Both of them were victims of murder. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. They know they deal with their grief differently and they honor that. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. Play trailer 2:39. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. As Turner fought her extradition on murder charges, the Bagbys fought for custody of their grandchild. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Whom was also a doctor. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) And he'd be like(turns. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. I may be in Fantasyland. He was like, `Eh, mm.' We don't--we don't gush very much. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. It soon became apparent who was responsible. Their murdered son was gone forever and now word that their sons son would be born into the world in five months. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. The September 2006 report, which chronicles the law enforcement and legal developments in the case, provides many of the details in the story that follows. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. Turner had mentioned the possibility to David months earlier in a rambling telephone conversation. But that is what the Bagbys. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. I got to go to the trial. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. did. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' And that was midafternoon. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. Go away.'. What a flaky person. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. 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