You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. Going the other direction nobody would move. Most dont buy a gun thinking about selling it down the road, bit it happens. But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? I am happy with my Polytech. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! Divide & conquer. Brownells, Midway, Primary arms, Rainer, Wing Tactical, and SG Ammo are my favorite online retailers. Up yours Springfield! (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. It happens ALL THE TIME, and with companies much larger than RRA. That is amazingly Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. An American voting for a Democrat The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. I read somewhere that there is a city named Springfield in almost every state in the Union. I wont name them, but the sales people at certain companies worked hard (and maybe even fudged some dates on paperwork) to make sure that I got my magazines before the deadline in the law hit. What part of their history am I missing Gov? Wheres the proof they had enough influence to dictate what that organization did. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. I am sure you do not mean Nissan or Beretta both of which picked up and moved to Tennessee for their headquarters (as well as many other companies). I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. Companies move all the time. Sadly I have two. Should have just stuck to the point that hey, you can do anything you want to our dealers as long as you leave us out of it. I have LOUDLY mentioned their treachery on the dozens of FB groups I belong to. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. How does what a lobbying group receives from a company 3 years ago translate to what the lobbying group does in the present? And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. No guilt trip on my hip. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 LEF-T 5.56mm Tactical Operator AR-15 Left-Handed Rifle Notify Me When Available; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: LH1278; Rock River Arms LAR15 Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. With support like that, who needs Everytown? That guy knows the M14 and M1a rifles. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! Yes I am planning on moving. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. And unbelievably stupid of Springfield. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. SA created it). We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. However, if youre willing to spend a little extra money on your rifle, Rock River Arms is definitely worth considering. Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. Rock River Arms had one seat. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. Rock River Arms earned their reputation by manufacturing some of the most accurate and reliable semi-auto rifles for the law enforcement and civilian markets. Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. What opinion? After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. Are you aware it was Bill Ruger who testified before Congress that nobody needs more than 10 rounds? when supply cant meet demand, then the price increases.. this draws more suppliers into the market to meet demand and you see the price decrease. Not a nice odor. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? (Im a 30 yr Vet). Im sorry, I mean they would ask after putting you and your fliers in the dumpster. My inventory of six XD pistols two 1911 .45s and two M 1As will be up for sale tommorow. I have a Rock River PDS carbine. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. That was just a small part of the problem. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. Cant beat that! Did you expect anything less than shady from the Illinois legislature? My time stinks apparently. Except they are both under different ownership today. It only sells a 100% American Made product using American Labor. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. Expect deep, deep discounts on that warehouse full of XD-Es and Saints they were hoping to sell this summer. September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. Start by giving everyone involved a TSA-style probe. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. The barrels Rock River use come from the Connecticut-based company, Wilson Arms (wilsonarms.com). Wilson makes the barrel, contours it and starts the chambering process. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. In fairness, Sprin gfield Arm ory isnt the only one to co-opt a name that it had no connection to (cough-Henry-cough). Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. Good luck RRA. You ask what was Springfield supposed to do? Rock River Arms has Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. cant hornor us people gun rights I say F THEM ALL. And their quality has never wavered (damn straight). Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. Obviously Springfield and others have not learned this lesson and are going down the same road. Even being on this site makes you a hypocrite because TTAG regularly advertised for Glock, S&W and Springfield. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Meaning they are NOT a legal lobbyist. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. CTD is my last choice. They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. Performance Tuned. I have to say this really makes me mad. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. If you know youre going to lose 50% off sticker driving something new off the lot, odds are you keep looking. No offense intended. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. The LAR-15 X-Series X-1 Rifle in .223/5.56mm from Rock River Arms is available at a manufacturer suggested retail price of $1,450.00 and $1,500.00, depending on the stock and color option (Black and Tan). NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. AR-15 Parts. You should buy a BCM, Daniel Defense, or LWRC. This isnt really about the law itself. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. Web50%. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. Theyre both stuck now. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. Never sold out to foreign companies or parts sources or manufacturing or skimped on quality control. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. thats what matter and they put that last. To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. If you dont like their price dont buy. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. In my collection i have a M1A, a Socom 16, a XDM in 45 and a XDmod2 in 9mm. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. We want our dealers and our valued customers to know we wont ever do anything like this again., We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. This attention to accuracy is especially evident in Rock Rivers new model, the Advanced Tactical Hunter V2 (ATH V2). The Henry ri fle was made by the New Haven Ar ms Company. Glad I waited. When I explained that sales were still legal before the SAFE Act deadline went into force, they still refused. Taurus? I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. RRA should be punished too. * How to order a firearm: See The Guide. Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. Layoffs to follow. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. Make this a massive intractable mess. Damage done. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. Never, ever. They can spout their support of the 2A all day, just like Shannon Watts does, but its just words. Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. Im not ordering anything Springfield. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. They profess innocence at this point, lets see if their actions match their words. Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. Kahr moved out of NY. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. I think probably not. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. It is the fault of the people in Illinois. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. Thats bad math and bad leadership. Robert, and we, the honest and dedicated advocates of the 2A and gun owners stand by TTAG in this. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. Easy there tough guy. If they are both single stage, they will basically feel the same. How did the unveiling of the new pistol go? The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. So in a nutshell Ruger and Springfield are now on the list. The Ruger is berween $6-700. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. AR Parts. Last Updated. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. Its not difficult. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. The vast majority of companies can do what they want to, but have have to insist that firearms companies fight for the 2nd EVEN WHEN ITS NOT IN THEIR COMPLETE SELF INTEREST TO DO SO. Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. This is why I said should not will. And by the way, sarcastically calling people badasses loses its effect when you get so butthurt by an article that you start calling the author a pu$$y. And rra. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. I have been in similar situations where it is damned if I do damned if I dont. in some cases they are just as passionate about their brands. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. Nobody moves a company to New York (Remington has moved most out). And if stooges like you thought this could be run under the table without anyone noticing, well, guess you should be mindful of your business in the next few quarters. This says a lot about the people running the company. People are watching everything the government and companies are doing now. Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. One of the few cases of sincere contrition. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. So I got the mags from a third party seller and have refused to do business with them ever since. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. Its transfers. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. ! mantra. Pick something and follow it. Free Shipping On Most Rifles, Upper Halves And Complete Lower Halves. When you sell high dollar items like firearms, it is really, really, unbelievably stupid, to piss off your customer base at rebate time. Hindsight is always 20/20 and the Liberal Dems are always after our Firearms Freedoms. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). Glad I happened upon this article. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. To whom will they sell? They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. If youve already implemented them, great. Rock solid performer. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. Huh? What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? Theyve earned back the support of 2A advocates, imo. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. Ive never had better customer service with any other business. January 2023. RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. Cancelled orders? I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, Neither excuse is a proper justification. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. The licensing fee? It doesnt have to be both for the same reason. No lobbyist will take a position without their clients approval, because THE CLIENT PAYS THE LOBBYISTS SALARY. And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. So I went on a buying spree. you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. We reserve the right to adjust product prices as dictated by the market.. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. Not to mention that when S&W colluded with Clinton they were owned by the British engineering firm Tomkins. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. I dont expect everyone to feel that way. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. Welp. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. The .308-caliber LAR-8 is plenty of gun for big-game hunting. WebRock River Arms creates high quality rifles and pistols on the AR platform. 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