I dont have to agree with Leah on everything to respect her. And then over 2 years later, Tony Ortega brought in a licensed family therapist, Rachel Bernstein, to psychoanalyze the quotes from Cathy Tweeds which were made the day after her daughters funeral. https://tonyortega.org/2016/04/28/a-scientologist-heading-for-suicide-the-missing-tayler-tweed-facebook-postings/. Their motives for doing this may be more of a legal rudiment, rather than a professed belief in medicine. Depression can result in death. Youve just attended the funeral of your own daughter who committed suicide and a journalist calls you up to talk to you about it. Now, the anti-Scientology movement will try to get us to believe that most Scientologists doesnt believe in medical doctors, and that they never seek proper medical treatment. This lady decides to go to the police to report this physical and sexual abuse from her own husband. Are you even going to be aware of what you are saying at that time? A less loaded example of this principle is what happened with chiropractors. Most Scnists I know (knew), would initially seek natural treatments (e.g. But now my concern is with my daughter and her mom. I dont know of such a policy regarding that specific case of TRs & Objectives, but I DO know about other policies (or HCOBs Hubbard Communications Office Bulletins) that requires having a physical examination and full medical checkup before being allowed to receive auditing. Maybe you are just a willing participant to their manipulation. those with money). Really? And what drives TV? Heads are replaceable, haha. They are quite outspoken about the barbaric psyches and the treatment of the mentally ill, yet, they will have nothing to do with the mentally ill. A lot of criticisms, but no solutions., TOTALLY in agreement with that! But just let me discuss my premises leading to my conclusion (based on induction, and not in deduction, meaning is something reasonable and highly probable, but not necessarily a fact) that Mikes and Leahs purpose (ESPECIALLY Mikes) is not reformation but mostly the punishment of DM, and the eradication of the church. VETERAN Obituary H.L. I bet the if were the case of your own deceased daughter being shown in national TV while making you guilty, you would then think and speak differently. I my humble opinion, reform IS possible, and even using specific LRHs policies themselves. This is what I call being fair to all sides!! And how does the Church feel about psychiatry and receiving psychiatric treatment? Mr. Ricky Dale Tweed, age 54, Telford, passed away Wednesday, August 13, 2014 from injuries sustained in an automobile accident. And Ill take a look at those videos, thanks! If you really have that much experience with suicide survivors, how could you possibly be this cruel to one that you would dictate what her response should be to you on her own daughters suicide? Period. I say this with affection. Yeah, Dave Luck, thats a very sad truth indeed! How do you know that for a fact, Alanzo, if you dont mind telling me? They will KICK YOU OUT!! You do know that the nazis invaded countries and built concentration camps, right? I also have know Freezoners who took psychiatric meds. Not me, TC. Sorry, but thats evaluative and rude. She states that she did take her daughter to doctors, but what kind of doctors? No one organization is to blame for this. Unfortunately we have little . In this light, it appears The Aftermath has but one goal: To rain upon the church so much bad PR that the public is repulsed. Ouch! She was making contact with family members who had left the church, and expressing her outrage at church fundraising and treatment of SO staff. Is that true, though? Yes, this mother lost a child, but her son says they tried everything and yet they didnt. Naturopaths? F) Getting the person to list her/his backlogged incomplete cycles of actions, and deciding on completing just one simple thing at a time. in a process because allegedly she still had not voiced the correct EP. This check was not exactly an official routine form from the church, but rather something made locally to detect possible Sources of Trouble. I dont necessarily doubt that a person can benefit from medical treatment for brain illnesses. You are not the victim in this story, there is only one. In recent times, Tyler Tweeds death was surfed by many individuals. Anyway, my comment above had to do with the notion that the church does not treat the mentally ill. This seems to me like an ASC false datum that fits their agenda and theyve convinced others that its true so now its an everybody know, like so many of their assertions. Nothing could be further from the truth; the anti-psychiatry movement has always existed PRIOR to Scn, and has been supported by many medical doctors and psychotherapists THEMSELVES, and by a large portion of the population (though I am not quoting any percentages here, but certainly, there are in the thousands!). You do know that Tony Ortega got that quote from Cathy Tweed about being at peace with it during a phone call he made to her on the day of Taylers funeral, right? Instead of being referred to a mental health provider, the church attempted to sell another expensive auditing package to her family. I dont think that anybody here is denying that. The problem with this is that the brain can get sick. Instead, they consume information from what they consider trusted sources (Leah, Mike, Tony O, etc), which aligns with their own convictions and emotions. I dont agree with Leah on everything but I like and support her on the whole-Mike, too. So there are these areas such as child labor and blocking access to medical care where I believe critics can legitimately point out criminality by scientology and try to get the government to act. Not any longer. Her funeral service took place at Saskatoon Funeral Home, 338 4th Ave North, on Monday, October 25, 2021 at 1:00 pm. Yet he criticises the ones who do. I think you just hate Scientologists and you want to vent your spleen on one here on the Internet and so a mother who lost her daughter to suicide will do just fine for you. That is pathetic. Here is what Dr. Breggin has to say about that : http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/interviews/breggin.html. She always made time for them while they played on the field . Yes, I know that they would be refused service. Its like that organ cant get sick. He was announced dead on Thursday 15th December on Facebook. Curtis was free-spirited and enjoyed music, guitars, and hanging out with his closest friends. Again, its a matter of freedom of religion as well as separation of church and state. For some reason, no medications that treat the brain are allowed. Ex Ireland rugby player David Tweed dies aged 61 | Daily Mail Online Davy Tweed, 61, played international rugby five times for Ireland in the 1990s The unionist politician was convicted of. A PAB 6 Handling which basically consisted of A) Daily extroversion using Take a Walk and Look Them Over processes from the Problems of Work book. Alanzo: I understand. ), but its simply not true. What we used to do at my Mission/org was to do what we called an A to J Check based on the policy, Policies on Physical Healing, Insanity and Sources of Trouble. I think the show wouldve been better served if it had done another story on a Sea Org related suicide because there are certainly more of them. Family and friends must say goodbye to their beloved Mary Marguerite Taylor (Tweed, Ontario), who passed away at the age of 95, on February 15, 2023. She states that she did take her daughter to doctors, but what kind of doctors? Your comment was interesting to me. There isnt really hate involved. Age 92. In fact, most of the time, this specific service is charged around $80-$125 an hour by such priests. Absolutely avoid the question??? But Lauren hadnt seen Taylor in 10 years. And that is their right, IMO. Remove (or reform, or rehabilitate) such individual form the scenario, and sanity will find its way in again, I guarantee you that. She was despondent about being alone for the holidays. Scientology is a cult that is a criminal organization with very few members and lots of real estate. They either didnt fight back, or just willingly accepted what was happening to them. Yes, I pity this family, but they are not innocent. They married three years later in 2013 and had two children-Luke Joseph Bass (8) and . With adults, I think its a slippery slope to tell them what they should or should not believe in and practice. Theyre presenting one side, and especially in this case, doing it in a very exploitative and manipulative way. I will look into this in every detail of it to connect a few dots, and to fill the vacuum of lack of enough information with facts instead of assumptions. After the incredible inflow of Crazy hatred being generated by the show and coming in as comments on my blog the overwhelming majority of which I have trashed I am actually concerned for Cathy Tweeds safety. I suspect Mike and Leahs tactics are based on the supposition that public exposure to harmful practices results in reformation. Obituaries. Youre extremely eager to call out Mike and Leah. Or am I going too fast? Its often hard to predict who is truly suicidal. But did L. Ronald Hubbard intend it that way? Certainly, the church needs to be more compassionate in general, especially with their existing public. Apparently it was a policy set by Hubbard that one needed to find out about any health issues and then get it or them taken care of before starting this course. Guest12, the church (as you called it, which irrelevant to the point under discussion), DID made attempts to prove them wrong by sending the executives of A&E letters of protests, and by specific videos done by the family members (who are still in the church) of those individuals being talked about in the show. NC, and Patricia Gayle Mills of Monroe, NC; and grandchildren, Taylor Tweed, Alexia Tweed, Nathan Tweed, and Harper Tweed. Im pretty sure you would not like that if it was done to you. Well, try to go to Flag (the principal Scientology organization) for services and tell them that you are sick, and see what happens. Then that journalist posts that quote from you on the Internet, and a whole bunch of party-bus sociopaths start going off on that quote and ripping you to shreds for saying it. After an intensive program delivered by a field group last summer, Tayler was once again suicidal. So, they have this idea, that if they publically expose the churchs harmful practice, and rub their nose in it, that the church will reform and cease such actions.. Lauren detailed her friendship with fellow second-generation Scientologist Tayler Tweed, whom she met as a teen fresh out of the Sea Org. Plus it is now becoming more evident that there was a lot more to the story regarding Tayler and her mother which was left out of the episode. I realize there are many sides to documentaries, but if all the stuff Leah and Mike say are false, why isnt the church proving them wrong? He, along with Marcus Daly and Frederick Heinze, was one of the three "copper kings" so eloquently portrayed in C.B. But from my point of view, it is up to US and not to them, to take the first step towards proper dialogue and peace talks. Read Today's Notices. And in adults there are clear rights to association which can not be denied. The suicide rate among young adults and teens has been growing over the past few decades. Find death notices, funeral notices, obituaries and legal/probate notices in Australian newspapers. Tayler Weldon DeBari November 13, 1986 -. Am I really suppose to believe that all the people who have spoken up just woke up one day and decided to try and fuck this church up for no reason? I am glad Leah and Mike are finally getting the truth out there. But there is a general dysfunction in Scientology technology that treats the brain like no other organ in the body. http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Scientology_Suicides#The_dead_cannot_tell_us, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder, (You must log in or sign up to reply here.). those with money)., Can they reform? Of course, know and not know are the same words that are on the Know to Mystery Scale with Know at the top, and in order to get there you have to go through Not-Know. I think A&E should interview Cathy Tweed - and give her time on their network after what has been done to her. Taylor Eugene Bass went home to be with the Lord on February 23, 2023 at the age of 40. Because they learned tha often more effective than medical treatment. You are way to eager to defend Cathy and this so called church. And yet Scientology has this utterly dysfunctional policy of forbidding these drugs to treat the brain. And its ridiculous to expect the church to reform along these lines.. Why is that? Perhaps no more than a 70-80% of the time, I did followed LRH, , Getting back on trackwhat could the church do to reform this aspect of their religion (if were to believe Mike and Leah)? I wanted to go quietly, but they would have none of it. Date of Death or Service May 31, 2023 Theresa Anna Helberg . Thats how they get people hooked. The second half which concerned Tayler Tweed did make me feel uncomfortable because I kept thinking about how devastating this must be to the mother and other relatives. In fact, the year after may still be the same day. On Friday, January 10, Tayler Tweed killed herself with a gunshot to the head. Searching obituaries is a great place to start your family tree research. Mike Rinder DAILY post at his blogs stories NOT related in any way (save for when an The Aftermath show is aired) to specific abuses, but mostly trying to prove to his sheeple that the church is not as big as they claim it is, how the buildings are empty, how the Volunteer Ministers really dont help anybody, etc, etc, etc, etc. May 23, 2021 This is Taylor Tweed's mother and brother speaking out about how they feel about Taylor's suicide being featured on A&E's Scientology and the Aftermath. On Saturday, a memorial was held for her at Scientology's Hollywood Celebrity Centre as family and friends gathered to remember the attractive young woman who had been working on a career in music and acting (as Tayler DeBari). OBITUARY William L Tweed May 23, 1919- November 25, 2012 IN THE CARE OF Skyline Memorial Gardens and Funeral Home William Leslie Tweed 23 May 1919, Portland Oregon - 25 Nov 2012 Portland Oregon Son of Otto Tweed and Esther Nathalia (Carlson) Tweed In 1962 he became a pattern maker when he went to work at Dependable Pattern Works. . Like me. Leah and Mike heroes??? I dont think so. I can see the public interest perspective with this series and and other productions that seek to find a story and tell it,, it has been created with key words cult secret confidential gulag ,, and so on not to mention the mood music and lighting,,, Its what media does,, its never enough just to have a story confined to the specifics and analyse it,,,no one buys that approach anymore.. However, we assure you that we will add the factual details once they are available. I am truly sorry for the loss of your beautiful daughter. Does he read minds now? If someone told me I was joining a church I would have run for the door. I wanted to go quietly, but they would have none of it.. Thats just part of the anti-Scientology narrative conveniently created by the anti-Scientology camp to drive home their own personal agendas. 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